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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://valeriemondesir.com/stop-looking-for-heaven-elsewhere/comment-page-1/#comment-234</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, as some people never get clear about what they want in life, I don&#039;t think people have a clear vision of heaven either. Don&#039;t get me wrong, how can we, if we&#039;ve never been. BUT, at the same time , just from envisioning it from what you hear, is it something that you would want? As you said, &quot;incessantly sing and prance around some Supreme Being for all eternity.&quot; Is that something we would really want? What else would it offer? I&#039;m just saying

I don&#039;t look for peace in another life.One of my main arguments against religion is that it makes people passive. I don&#039;t think life is meant to come around twice. So whatever it is, we&#039;ve got to do it now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, as some people never get clear about what they want in life, I don&#8217;t think people have a clear vision of heaven either. Don&#8217;t get me wrong, how can we, if we&#8217;ve never been. BUT, at the same time , just from envisioning it from what you hear, is it something that you would want? As you said, &#8220;incessantly sing and prance around some Supreme Being for all eternity.&#8221; Is that something we would really want? What else would it offer? I&#8217;m just saying</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t look for peace in another life.One of my main arguments against religion is that it makes people passive. I don&#8217;t think life is meant to come around twice. So whatever it is, we&#8217;ve got to do it now.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 13:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Cody: Hello there, and welcome! Wow you&#039;ve been through a lot, I&#039;m sure that played a huge part in why you have so much focus and so many things accomplished (great bio you got there on your page!). I like how you said death is both profound and meaningless. Many people do know that when they die, this is IT, but it just saddens me how people kind of take life for granted even knowing that. And it&#039;s a contagious attitude, too. I just hope I&#039;m able to make the most of what I&#039;ve got while I&#039;m here although I do always wonder if I could be doing more. It makes me wonder when is enough enough? Is there a line between doing too much or too little to appreciate life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Cody: Hello there, and welcome! Wow you&#8217;ve been through a lot, I&#8217;m sure that played a huge part in why you have so much focus and so many things accomplished (great bio you got there on your page!). I like how you said death is both profound and meaningless. Many people do know that when they die, this is IT, but it just saddens me how people kind of take life for granted even knowing that. And it&#8217;s a contagious attitude, too. I just hope I&#8217;m able to make the most of what I&#8217;ve got while I&#8217;m here although I do always wonder if I could be doing more. It makes me wonder when is enough enough? Is there a line between doing too much or too little to appreciate life?</p>
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		<title>By: Cody McKibben</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cody McKibben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 11:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Valerie, this is a powerful, moving topic. I&#039;ve lost many important people to me—first my great grandmother who lived to a ripe old age of 97, then my grandmother who lost a short fight with cancer, then two best friends both before the age of 22. And recently one of the wonderful little kids at an orphanage I&#039;ve raised money for and spent time at here in Thailand lost a fight with something so trivial and (you would think, in the West) as preventable as a fever.

I&#039;ve been &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thrillingheroics.com/2009/09/a-reminder-of-the-shortness-of-life.html&quot; title=&quot;&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;thinking a lot about death and how short our time is here&lt;/a&gt;, and perhaps it&#039;s a unique perspective as someone who doesn&#039;t necessarily believe in a god or a heaven at all (although I admit I can never KNOW what there is beyond verifiable fact, I live my life these days as if LIFE, the here and the now that you can SEE, is all there is). One&#039;s death is both a profound &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; a meaningless thing, in the eyes of the universe—in the grand scheme of things. I think it &lt;em&gt;is&lt;/em&gt; some kind of a reprieve from the struggles of life, perhaps in the Buddhist sense of &quot;nirvana&quot; or nothingness. But you also don&#039;t get to see the people you care about anymore, or make a difference in the world. That&#039;s why all beings have an instinctual drive to cling to life, to their last breath. (I think we all have some inherent knowledge or at least &lt;em&gt;fear&lt;/em&gt; that there is nothing more once they put us 6 feet under, so we fight to keep our lives.)

I think it&#039;s important to strive to make the world a better place while you are here, at least for the people around you. There are many ways to strive to build a legacy, some may be selfish, but I think on the whole it&#039;s important, and we all want to leave our mark in some way.
.-= Cody McKibben&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.thrillingheroics.com/2009/10/clay-collins-shares-insight-about-purpose-building-your-freedom-business.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clay Collins Shares Insight About Purpose &amp; Building Your Freedom Business&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Valerie, this is a powerful, moving topic. I&#8217;ve lost many important people to me—first my great grandmother who lived to a ripe old age of 97, then my grandmother who lost a short fight with cancer, then two best friends both before the age of 22. And recently one of the wonderful little kids at an orphanage I&#8217;ve raised money for and spent time at here in Thailand lost a fight with something so trivial and (you would think, in the West) as preventable as a fever.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been <a href="http://www.thrillingheroics.com/2009/09/a-reminder-of-the-shortness-of-life.html" title="" rel="nofollow">thinking a lot about death and how short our time is here</a>, and perhaps it&#8217;s a unique perspective as someone who doesn&#8217;t necessarily believe in a god or a heaven at all (although I admit I can never KNOW what there is beyond verifiable fact, I live my life these days as if LIFE, the here and the now that you can SEE, is all there is). One&#8217;s death is both a profound <em>and</em> a meaningless thing, in the eyes of the universe—in the grand scheme of things. I think it <em>is</em> some kind of a reprieve from the struggles of life, perhaps in the Buddhist sense of &#8220;nirvana&#8221; or nothingness. But you also don&#8217;t get to see the people you care about anymore, or make a difference in the world. That&#8217;s why all beings have an instinctual drive to cling to life, to their last breath. (I think we all have some inherent knowledge or at least <em>fear</em> that there is nothing more once they put us 6 feet under, so we fight to keep our lives.)</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s important to strive to make the world a better place while you are here, at least for the people around you. There are many ways to strive to build a legacy, some may be selfish, but I think on the whole it&#8217;s important, and we all want to leave our mark in some way.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Cody McKibben&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.thrillingheroics.com/2009/10/clay-collins-shares-insight-about-purpose-building-your-freedom-business.html" rel="nofollow">Clay Collins Shares Insight About Purpose &amp; Building Your Freedom Business</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://valeriemondesir.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Walter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Walter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Oct 2009 00:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s no meaning unless we give meaning to it. Life is what we perceive, and we chose how we react to it. I agree with you Valerie, heaven is already around us, we just need to open our eyes and stop resisting life. 

Life is but a dream; and we fear death because we don&#039;t understand it. Let us enjoy life because we can never get back to this dimension of consciousness again. Death is just an evolution, we will all come to it, it&#039;s a beginning to a higher level. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no meaning unless we give meaning to it. Life is what we perceive, and we chose how we react to it. I agree with you Valerie, heaven is already around us, we just need to open our eyes and stop resisting life. </p>
<p>Life is but a dream; and we fear death because we don&#8217;t understand it. Let us enjoy life because we can never get back to this dimension of consciousness again. Death is just an evolution, we will all come to it, it&#8217;s a beginning to a higher level. <img src='http://valeriemondesir.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Valerie M</title>
		<link>http://valeriemondesir.com/stop-looking-for-heaven-elsewhere/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>Valerie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 18:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Oscar: Sorry about the loss of your cousin. I know that was a pretty shaky experience since he was close to you. 

Definitely, nobody knows what happens after death and I am highly wary of anybody who claims they know. Of course, there&#039;s enough to be said about faith, but even faith has doubt in it (or it wouldn&#039;t exist). I feel that people who are so insistent on something having to happen after death that they are defendant of people who don&#039;t agree are looking to overcompensate for something else.

I think we all have some kind of fear of death, by the way, and I don&#039;t think there&#039;s anything wrong with it in itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Oscar: Sorry about the loss of your cousin. I know that was a pretty shaky experience since he was close to you. </p>
<p>Definitely, nobody knows what happens after death and I am highly wary of anybody who claims they know. Of course, there&#8217;s enough to be said about faith, but even faith has doubt in it (or it wouldn&#8217;t exist). I feel that people who are so insistent on something having to happen after death that they are defendant of people who don&#8217;t agree are looking to overcompensate for something else.</p>
<p>I think we all have some kind of fear of death, by the way, and I don&#8217;t think there&#8217;s anything wrong with it in itself.</p>
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		<title>By: Oscar - freestyle mind</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oscar - freestyle mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Oct 2009 17:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article.

I lost my cousin this year which I grew up together. I was a bit scared the first few hours but then I accepted it and learnt from it. I don&#039;t know if there will be something after death. Nobody knows, even those who says they can see something can&#039;t be sure.

Another interesting thing is that most people assume that there&#039;s something *good* after death. Again, nobody knows.

Anyway, I&#039;m not scared of death, it&#039;s a natural state and nature will take care of it, but I also know that all what I have is now, and the rest is only an illusion, so I try to make the best of it.
.-= Oscar - freestyle mind&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FreestyleMind/~3/tjWqU5VX0-I/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cloud Living Review&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.</p>
<p>I lost my cousin this year which I grew up together. I was a bit scared the first few hours but then I accepted it and learnt from it. I don&#8217;t know if there will be something after death. Nobody knows, even those who says they can see something can&#8217;t be sure.</p>
<p>Another interesting thing is that most people assume that there&#8217;s something *good* after death. Again, nobody knows.</p>
<p>Anyway, I&#8217;m not scared of death, it&#8217;s a natural state and nature will take care of it, but I also know that all what I have is now, and the rest is only an illusion, so I try to make the best of it.<br />
<span class="cluv"> Oscar &#8211; freestyle mind&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/FreestyleMind/~3/tjWqU5VX0-I/" rel="nofollow">Cloud Living Review</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://valeriemondesir.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Mac</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 23:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Val

I really like what you said about fooling ourselves when we give away our power. Because we look at it like a crime when these leaders screw things up. Just like corporations, they screw people over and show them the fine print. Insurance companies don&#039;t exist because they help people they only help a certain amount of people in the criteria if they don&#039;t they broke.

I sent you an email a few days ago was wondering if you got it. You wanted to &quot;pick my brain&quot; so just replied to that. Let me know.

Another good post :)

P.S. Check out my blog :)
.-= Mac&#180;s last blog ..&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.poweredpassion.com/?p=116&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Part 3/3: Shift into Success.&lt;/a&gt; =-.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Val</p>
<p>I really like what you said about fooling ourselves when we give away our power. Because we look at it like a crime when these leaders screw things up. Just like corporations, they screw people over and show them the fine print. Insurance companies don&#8217;t exist because they help people they only help a certain amount of people in the criteria if they don&#8217;t they broke.</p>
<p>I sent you an email a few days ago was wondering if you got it. You wanted to &#8220;pick my brain&#8221; so just replied to that. Let me know.</p>
<p>Another good post <img src='http://valeriemondesir.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>P.S. Check out my blog <img src='http://valeriemondesir.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
<span class="cluv"> Mac&#180;s last blog ..<a href="http://www.poweredpassion.com/?p=116" rel="nofollow">Part 3/3: Shift into Success.</a> <span class="heart_tip_box"><img class="heart_tip" alt="My ComLuv Profile" border="0" width="16" height="14" src="http://valeriemondesir.com/wp-content/plugins/commentluv/images/littleheart.gif"/></span></span></p>
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		<title>By: Valerie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Diggy: Don&#039;t hate... Sentimentality has it&#039;s perks ;)

I&#039;m nervous and excited about the video post, but I guess it&#039;s high time I did it anyway. I have you and Glen to thank for giving me that little push. That would be a really interesting video by the way. Maybe something like you have a general question and each blogger answers it? Like asking a question on Twitter and then collecting the answers you get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Diggy: Don&#8217;t hate&#8230; Sentimentality has it&#8217;s perks <img src='http://valeriemondesir.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m nervous and excited about the video post, but I guess it&#8217;s high time I did it anyway. I have you and Glen to thank for giving me that little push. That would be a really interesting video by the way. Maybe something like you have a general question and each blogger answers it? Like asking a question on Twitter and then collecting the answers you get.</p>
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		<title>By: Valerie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Jenny: Death can definitely serve as a reminder to live for today and show love for people, not something that totally consumes you and prevents you from doing just that. Thanks for stopping by. Glad to see you here! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Jenny: Death can definitely serve as a reminder to live for today and show love for people, not something that totally consumes you and prevents you from doing just that. Thanks for stopping by. Glad to see you here! <img src='http://valeriemondesir.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Valerie M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Valerie M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 21:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mac: Interesting, I&#039;ve never heard of Bill Hicks (I guessed because he passed away so long ago). I like the way you put it: &quot;Death doesn&#039;t give life a purpose, it gives it value.&quot; Very, very true. If we were immortal, then most of us would have less reason to &#039;live life to the fullest.&#039; Oddly enough, we KNOW we&#039;re mortal and we still don&#039;t live life to the fullest. I can&#039;t imagine what kind of hell would break loose if we actually were immortal.

 By giving away power, we&#039;re not only fooling ourselves (because we&#039;re still responsible for whatever decision we make), but we&#039;re effectively pissing our lives away because we&#039;re giving permission to other people to decide what we get out of life. And we suffer the consequences for it. I don&#039;t know if you&#039;ve read Deschooling Society, but there&#039;s a lot about giving up power. Here&#039;s the link for the whole book if you haven&#039;t read it: 
http://www.davidtinapple.com/illich/1970_deschooling.html

The truth is &quot;comfort&quot; really isn&#039;t. The people who strive for comfort and guarantees spend way too much time worrying about anything that threatens that comfort. And, guess what, everything is a threat to that comfort. Who&#039;s comfortable now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Mac: Interesting, I&#8217;ve never heard of Bill Hicks (I guessed because he passed away so long ago). I like the way you put it: &#8220;Death doesn&#8217;t give life a purpose, it gives it value.&#8221; Very, very true. If we were immortal, then most of us would have less reason to &#8216;live life to the fullest.&#8217; Oddly enough, we KNOW we&#8217;re mortal and we still don&#8217;t live life to the fullest. I can&#8217;t imagine what kind of hell would break loose if we actually were immortal.</p>
<p> By giving away power, we&#8217;re not only fooling ourselves (because we&#8217;re still responsible for whatever decision we make), but we&#8217;re effectively pissing our lives away because we&#8217;re giving permission to other people to decide what we get out of life. And we suffer the consequences for it. I don&#8217;t know if you&#8217;ve read Deschooling Society, but there&#8217;s a lot about giving up power. Here&#8217;s the link for the whole book if you haven&#8217;t read it:<br />
<a href="http://www.davidtinapple.com/illich/1970_deschooling.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.davidtinapple.com/illich/1970_deschooling.html</a></p>
<p>The truth is &#8220;comfort&#8221; really isn&#8217;t. The people who strive for comfort and guarantees spend way too much time worrying about anything that threatens that comfort. And, guess what, everything is a threat to that comfort. Who&#8217;s comfortable now?</p>
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